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  1. MISTERK

    Watchpoint startup issue Windows 10

    same problem for me too much issues with win 10 go back to win 7 x 64, i did and it's a loooooooooooot better
  2. Thanks for answers about ISS tech and ECC As i said, No possibility for me to buy WatchMax, My Display PC's are not only dedicated to watchout ! so i have clone image for each use. My decision is to go back to Win 7. I know hap is good, but it's time-consuming and making files more bigger, in weight and bitrate/s mpeg 2 is the best choice for me until now. As is said i need from time to time to open explorer on Display PC's, so if just opening a window in win 10 is bad for the system reliability, that means win 10 is not a good thing for me. Regards
  3. Hi all first impressions with win 10 My config : - Asus Mobo x99 with P6000 nvidia and Xeon 10 cores - 16 Gb Ram and Win 10 x64 LTSB 1709 Fall Creators, - Dedicated drive for watchout is M.2 (samsung ,given for 3,500MB/s theorically Seq. Read) - watchout 6.2.1 - Nvidia Quadro Driver 391.33 all my questions are wrapped with ########## i had a big show last week, with 4x 4k outputs @50hz in watchout no softedge between them (hopefully!). i Ran into a lot of issues. First i couldn't have 3 or 4 files, playing at the same time on each screen. files are mpg2( 3840x1200, 200mb CBR) or Prores. the same video file, starting exactly at the same time, on each display. it worked only if i had 2 files playing, otherwise every output goes to black. it's not happening with still pictures (jpeg). it's not happening with Hap Video files. when i have at least my 2 files running, in mpeg2 starting exactly at the same time in tyhe time line, they don't play right, one is starting, the other is - starting later or - playing poorly. i tried 4 mpeg2 files(1920x1080 at 50p) at the same time no issue. i also try .mp4 but same problems. i have found that if loading preroll activated, it helps to play files better but still not starting at the same moment, i had to change the preroll time to different values to make it work. it also happened that i had to delete everyhing in the timeline, then just put one file, hit CTRL D, then the other file, hit CTRL D again to get something working. Files in Prores are playing very badly, it was playing well with my old display computers (win 7x64, quadro 4000) even only one file in prores is playing so bad. i forgot this codec for my show. And i didn't talk about crossfading between two video files. Less Problem With HAP or HAP alpha, it plays correctly. But i lost a lot of precious time, with hap encoding and transfering (very long encoding and huge file size). Anyway , Hap saved my life last night (not the DJ !) i also tried a HAP file 15360x 2160 at 50p it plays correctly, except crossfade between 2 files (maybe it's normal, it's huge files i mean) two times the same file in the time line : no problems three times, only two files are displayed, the third one is invisible. I had strange issues with Wav Files (16bits, 48Khz) sometimes it plays and sometimes not, i had one sound that has not played during the show, so i was in panic and stressed to death for the rest of the show, praying for sounds remaining in my timeline to work. It happened only once, but my clients were not very happy with it. I HAD A VERY VERY BAD AFTER-SHOW (with clients), I CAN TELL YOU !. i noticed that i had to set audio output to speakers, on my producer laptop, if i wanted to see the sound Icon back in the stage window. NEXT ISSUE IS : when starting watchout display software on display PC's. it takes a very long time and sometimes not working at all, i had to hit CTRL + ALT +DEL to stop watchout display and restart it again. (it take many seconds to start the 4 instances, i suppose one for each output). i always use a shortcut to start watchout display in the taskbar (shortcut is WIN + 1) no icons displayed on the screen, black background, hidden taskbar when not in us, etc... i noticed that watchout display starts better if you go in the windows menu, go to programs,watchout, and then watchout display. than using a shortcut, it crashes less with this method. puting watchout display shortcut in windows startup folder, seems to not work very well, so i disabled this (shell:startup ,remove wo display shortcut). i saw on the forum, i quote Jochri : ___________________________________________________________________ 1709 Fall Creators Upgrade => Stay away from it!!!! 1607/ 1703 =>Tested and save version. We did some big shows on it. ___________________________________________________________________ i'm with 1709 so bad choice for me ! ___________________________________________________________________ While until now Intel Speed Step technology needs to be deactivated to prevent Watchout from running out of sync on the new Xeon-W CPUs this feature must be activated to allow the CPU to go into turbo mode and use all the speed possible ___________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### i disabled Intel SpeedStep technology, so bad choice for me again ? #################################################################### i quote Benoit ___________________________________________________________________ In Windows 10, Nvidia graphics cards could produce flickering image in a multi-display setup. This issue is resolved in Nvidia Quadro drivers 385.77 and Nvidia Geforce drivers 388.00, or later. ___________________________________________________________________ i'm running Nvidia Quadro Driver 391.33 from 2018.3.27 so that is not the problem i think. i quote Miro : ___________________________________________________________________ If you want to take it to the next level and maximize robustness then make the OS partition constant (read-only) using the unified write filter that is provided by the enterprise versions. Never start windows explorer/desktop because it spawns tons of unnecessary disturbing processes (that can cause frame drops) and use the shell launcher to boot directly into WATCHOUT. Sure professional processors will provide you with ECC memory (increasing stability) and more cache memory making video decoding more efficient but Xeon W, Xeon Scalable or AMD Epyc might be overkill and too expensive for some setups. But if you want to go hi-end then these are the best options designed for heavy 24-7 usage. Constant systems either using file based write filter (FBWF, windows 7 embedded), enhanced write filter (EWF, windows 8.1 embedded) or unified write filter (UWF, windows 10 "embedded" aka Enterprise LTSB) is great for long term stability. Our WATCHPAX hardware is using FBWF by the way just for this purpose. ___________________________________________________________________ To never start windows explorer/desktop is impossible or does that mean : #################################################################### each time you open a window explorer on display PC's you have to restart display computers before playing ? #################################################################### #################################################################### how to start watchout manually (sometimes you need !) with shell ? #################################################################### how to had a delay to watchout display if it's in startup folder ? #################################################################### i think i have have ECC memory in the computer. I can see ECC memory on NVIDIA's GPU config panel, does it need to be activated ? two different operating modes for NVIDIA's GPU, one for computation and one for graphics #################################################################### which one to choose ? #################################################################### Vertical Sync is always on, is it a good choice or not ? #################################################################### #################################################################### Can someone describe the process with unified write filter in win 10 ? is it worth it, to get a more stable system ? #################################################################### With all these issues i didn't even try sync test at all but i'm afraid ! I know watchpax PC's are build with AMD 9100 so i hope NVIDIA's GPU are still compatible with watchout. #################################################################### You can say why not buy watchpax or watchmax ? #################################################################### because we use PC's for something else sometimes, rendering farm, other mediaserver software etc... and i have a clone image for each use, and one for watchout of course. Never have all these troubles when it was win 7 x64... i think i have a bad configuration, not stable with WIN 10, most of my problems are certainly coming from PC's bad tuning. I have another Big show coming next, i think i will go back to win 7 x64 a make a new install, #################################################################### BUT IS WATCHOUT 6.2.2 STILL WORKING WITH WIN 7 X64 ? #################################################################### I WILL FORGET WIN 10 FOR NOW UNTIL A TWEAKING LIST FOR THIS OS IS RELEASED, AND WHICH STABLE VERSION OF WIN 10 MUST BE INSTALLED . i know that dataton have legal stuff to deal with (thx Microsoft !) and i can understand that. Thx in advance for answers and sharing testers experience with this kind of troubles. TAK.
  4. hi all big big big troubles !!!!! i have 4x4K output in watchout ( win 1O x64 LTSB) NVIDIA P6000 watchout 6.2.1 when i want to play a hap file or a mpeg2 file(size :3840x1472)on one output every thing is fine when i want to play 4 times the same file starting exactly at the same time, on each output, watchout display goes black and nothing, the same for 3 times the same file. if i only play two same files at the same time it works. any idea of what's happening ? Thx
  5. MISTERK

    Windows Tweaks - Win7 & Win10

    Hi still no news for a win 10 tweaking list ? i feel a little unsecure with my win 10 watchout tuning ,not sure of what i'm doing. i wasn't with win 7 :))) a very big show is approaching for me... Tak !
  6. MISTERK

    HAP,New Codecs and more...

    Hi dataton Hap seems to be a very good codec but so looooong to encode when you got files like 14592 x 2160 @ 50p compre to mpg2, with wich you can't achieve such resolution i know, except maybe in ffmpeg. i'm sure that a heavy powerfull hardware config matters, but what is the fastest software to achieve batch HAP encoding ? Adobe Media Encoder, FFMPEG...? Is dataton planning to support HEVC H265 and a New coming codec that seems interesting : open source AV1 ? Thx
  7. MISTERK

    Windows Tweaks - Win7 & Win10

    Hi all dataton crew, have you got some news on how to tweak correctly windows 10, to have a very stable config ? It is so differrent than win 7, and really need to be tuned correctly. Thanks
  8. MISTERK

    WATCHOUT 6.2 - Available NOW!

    Hi all welcome to the new version of watchout 6.2, and it's compatibility with win 10 , and happy birthday ! Will dataton release a tweaking list for win 10 x64 , pro or LTSB, as it was for win 7 ? or a super geek user who knows the beast ? Very important for users who build their own PC's, to get max perfs out of watchout 6 ! Recently try a p4000 Nvidia and notice that there is two different working modes, have to choose between GPU for Graphic Stuffs or GPU for Computation. Anyone knows what is the difference ? is it worth using MOSAIC settings in nvidia config panel for multiple outputs ? or don't use it and work as usual, configuring each plugged output ? Bye
  9. MISTERK

    WATCHOUT in Windows 10

    Hi all just a simple question is it ok to use last version watchout 6.1.6 with win 10 or to keep it running under win 7 ? or better to wait for 6.2 with win 10 ? Thnx
  10. Hi is it possible when you have a 3d-projector in watchout to have an width/distance ratio of 1:02, we have real projectors with 0.25 lenses and in watchout you can't get a value under 1:05 so it's impossible to use watchout to calibrate mapping projection with 3d objects Thanks
  11. i still got these warnings ! (each time ctrl-d) it's a little scary during a show. stress ! i have my 3D object on stage tier Base my 3 projectors are on tier 2. i have 9 virtual displays on tier 3 and 6 more on another tier 4. i have a 2d display in 1920x1080 on another tier 5, using 2 virtual displays (as cues in main timeline)from tier 3. All medias cues and the 2 virtual displays i'm using are on main timeline, no layers dedicated to a specific tier.
  12. i must add that i'm using two virtual projectors and a 3ds object for this show
  13. hi all
 
 for a show starting tomorrow i'm in a big trouble.
 
 i have one display computer with wo6.1 win7x64 
 i want it to work without master computer.
 i tried to use the same autostart script with wo5.5.2
 my first time i'm doing this with wo 6.1
 i use the script as in the documentation using "edit startup script "command on the display PC
 
 authenticate 1
 delay 5000
 load "the name of my show"
 wait
 run
 
 i put watchpoint.exe shortcut in windows startup folder
 i restart the PC , without any network cable plugged in.
 
 watchpoint starts and then nothing !
 it's stays on the wo logo
 
 
 as soon as i replug network beetween master computer and the slave PC
 IP address appears under the wo logo on the display PC and the show starts
 
 i always use this method with wo 5.5.2 and it has always worked
 
 something has changed with wo 6.1 ?
 or is there a new method ?
 it's very urgent
 if someone has any answer...
 
 Thanks

  14. MISTERK

    Mpeg2 size issue ?

    thanx i'll try that !
  15. MISTERK

    Mpeg2 size issue ?

    here is a link to a piece of mpeg2 (8s PS) http://k.b.free.fr/testsize.rar size is 4096x656 but viewed as 1920x1152 in watchout , and no video just black i usually use this kind of mpegs in my show without any trouble although it's first time i get this size of file. i can see it in vlc ( i know it's not a good idea as vlc plays almost everything) Thanks
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