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#1 nickdesigner

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:19 PM



I'm working on a musical using Watchout for the first time.  The musical director and musicians are using a click track, and I'd like to use that click track (or more specifically, MIDI messages related to that click track) to sync watchout cues to the music. 


I have Qlab2 or maybe Qlab3 running on a mac mini, and Watchout running on two windows machines. 


The click track will also have two or three audio files synced to it for playback through the sound system, so I can't have the click track and these other audio layers in Watchout without purchasing an audio interface for the windows machine.


I figured the best approach is to have click track trigger midi show control messages in Qlab to be sent to Watchout for this (and potentially all of the watchout cues).  If so I need two midi interfaces - one for the windows machine in order to accept midi messages, and one for the mac mini, in order to send midi messages. 


I'm looking at getting two of the M-Audio MIDIsport 1x1's



Does anyone have experience with these and/or any other suggestions for my setup?




#2 Jeongmok Byun

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:13 AM

as noice of that Watchout can receive MIDI signal but cannot send it out,
your plan to have Watchout only to receive and put Qlab to send it out sounds good to work.
any type of USB-MIDI box would work good.
Only if MIDI wiring should be long enough, 
you may consider to extend it via a pair of UTP extender like this : http://www.midilite.com/midilink.html

#3 Mike Fahl

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:27 AM

You may use MSC (MIDI Show Control) to trigger cues and timelines in WATCHOUT. Another option may be to use timecode from your sound system to sync WATCHOUT to an external source (assuming your sound system can output timecode).



#4 nickdesigner

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 08:43 PM

Thanks for the replys!  Is there a resource I could referenece on how to set up MSC in watchout?  I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to do it from the user guide and tutorial videos. 


I'd like to send MSC from Qlab to trigger all watchout cues in the main timeline and an auxiliary timeline. 




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Posted 03 May 2014 - 01:28 AM

It's in the preferences panel. Set WO to look for a MSC controller #

Then set Qlab to be that controller #.

That's it.

#6 limeworks

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 08:22 AM

Also ensure that you set Watchout to map cues to Main or AUX timelines. 


I can't seem to make anything happen unless i do that. 

Once setup, it seems to work extremely well.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 02:41 PM

Also ensure that you set Watchout to map cues to Main or AUX timelines. 


I can't seem to make anything happen unless i do that. 

Once setup, it seems to work extremely well.




As you note, that behavuor is user definable,

to provide detail on that ...


File - Preferences : Control - MIDI Show Control / MSC Cue Lists




The default setting (Ignore all MSC commands with a cue list parameter)

will result in nothing working on most consoles,

as the console will always send a cue list parameter.


Seems with most consoles, effectively,

you must choose between  main timeline only or auxiliary timelines only.


Control systems can do both of course.


reference: WATCHOUT 5 User's Guide version 5.2

Appendix F       MIDI Show Control      page 275

Some MSC commands allow a cue/list/path to be specified. WATCHOUT

doesn’t use the “path” number. The “list” number can be handled in either of
three ways, as specified in the WATCHOUT Preferences:
• Ignore Command. In this setting, the entire command will be discarded (not
acted upon) if a list number is specified.
• Map all to Main Timeline. This setting ignores the cue list number, sending
all such commands to the main timeline.
• Map to Auxiliary Timelines. If a cue list number is specified, the command
will be applied to an Auxiliary Timeline with the same name (where the
name must be numeric, to match the list number).

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