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To add to this, when you go online, you will get an error for every piece of media referenced by a cue. But most important, the updated .watch file will be transferred. So you could adjust media cues too as long as you do not add media. I have done this remotely when tweaking other people’s shows. In my case the most important part is keeping my saved changes the same (older) version.
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18 minutes ago, dchristo said:
I have a show that has been running fine on WO6.7. I need to add some control cues to the show, but at the time that I will be able to update the show, the media will not be available to me. If I go Online in Production with the media files "missing", will the show still run on the displays (which have all the media they need)? …
Yes
18 minutes ago, dchristo said:… I'm not changing any media cues in the show, only adding control cues.
Thanks,
--D
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BTW The information about no network operation does not apply to WATCHPAX. The no network info would be better suited in its own topic about autostart.txt (i will check into doing that). This topic is meant to provide the default contents of a factory provided autostart.txt file. The factory file documents script startup in the form of script comments.
WATCHPAX should operate standalone. without setting a loopback nic.
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1 hour ago, Alex Ramos said:
Thanks @jfk that solves the problem.
Thank you for taking the time to confirm satisfactory resolution. Helpful to others who may arrive here via search, etc.
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33 minutes ago, Alex Ramos said:
Is my fist time using a display machine stand alone with am autostart.txt script.
The script only runs if the machine is on a network, need to be connected to a router or other display, is this normal?
Previously I used clusters, so I always included a network by default.
Thanks
I always configured Microsoft’s loop back adaptor when no physical connection is available. This adds a new NIC to the list that is used instead of the hardware NIC on the motherboard.
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On 4/25/2023 at 5:32 AM, LeoHamelin said:
… I runed into the same issue with the Deltacast SDI capture card. …
a bit of a surprise, Dataton include Deltacast capture cards in most WATCHPAX 6x series servers.
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I have seen the same issue with Panasonic projectors TCP control when commands are sent to close together. it is telling that Panasonic does not use that command set for their own software control of the projector. WATCHOUT’s string cues are rudimentary, there is no flow control and there is no processing of any return information from a controlled device. Just the same, the strings are being sent. I suggest you contact Panasonic and ask them why their projector is ignoring valid TCP commands.
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I suspect the divider wall does not change during a performance? It would be easiest to load a different show file for each scenario. I suspect stage tiers would be the most convenient way to customize blending for each scenario / show file.
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To clarify terminology, Dataton does not recommend hardware other than Dataton WATCHPAX. That said, the WATCHPAX 62 uses an nVidia RTX A4000 with nVidia Production Branch driver version 473.47
Keep in mind, Dataton continues to use Windows 10 Enterprise Long Term Service Branch build 1607 on current production WATCHPAX.
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3 hours ago, RachaelHolmes said:
It is worth installing Windows 10, especially if you are currently using an older version of Windows, like Windows 7 or Windows 8. Windows 10 offers several improvements over its predecessors, including better performance, more modern features, and improved security.
Generally speaking, No. Any performance improvements are in areas that do not effect WATCHOUT, with one possible exception - capture cards. Updating drivers for Windows 10 on older hardware may be challenging, if at all possible. Any security improvements would likely have to be disabled. Any new features would be irrelevant to WATCHOUT. i.e. if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
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WATCHOUT is written to standards, not specific hardware. The only hardware Dataton supports are Dataton WATCHPAX. Beyond that, it is up to the builder to certify their choices conform to the required standards.
Hardware selection is the relatively easy part of building a server. The challenging aspect is tuning and testing the operating system and drivers.
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Dataton recommends no audio in movie files. Instead, export the audio separately and play it in synch with the movie. https://knowledge.dataton.com/knowledge/embedded-audio-in-watchout
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On 3/26/2023 at 4:28 AM, ManuelM said:
Hello:
Is there any way in which I can get a screenshot or a preview of the contentn that is being played in the display computer? …
2 hours ago, ManuelM said:Unfortunately that's not an option for me because my display consists in 4 screens so if I did that I'd be only having 1/4 of the image.
40 minutes ago, ManuelM said:My initial idea was to automate a screenshot every X seconds just to inform the remote controller user what is playing. It doesn't need to be realtime since there are no critical contents involved.
I am under the impression that screenshot is disabled while in DirectX 3D Full Screen rendering mode. Even if you could, the background activity would likely interfere with smooth playback. And you would have to screenshot each output independently, so you are back to the four output issue.
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There is no easy way with a fully utilized system other than adding resources. Create a virtual display that covers the area you wish to view and then scale the virtual to an available output. This may require an additional server to gain the extra output.
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29 minutes ago, fgadmin said:
… the Watchpax units are not visible in the network window of Watchout and I cannot control the units at all--show does not run. They remain offline.
How are the WATCHPAX addressed in the computer field of Display settings - IP or WATCHOUT name?
29 minutes ago, fgadmin said:… Regarding NICs, I do have 2 NICs on the Windows computer that are connected to different networks. One of the NICs has access to a larger show control network (10.1.1.X) and the other is private to this Watchout system (192.168.1.X). …
Two NICs should be ok, but you may need to change the NIC order in Windows. WATCHOUT does not provide an option for choosing a network port, it always defaults to the first NIC in Windows NIC order. (Always restart WATCHOUT after changing NIC order.) Can not imagine why this has changed if this had been running for months.
”… I have a 6-projector installation that had been stable for months …”
Is the show still running triggered from the show control network without WATCHOUT Production?I do not think you have mentioned version, but you did mention WATCHPAX 4 which require v6.1.5+, that is close enough.
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Ping is a TCP transmission, the automatic discovery is accomplished with UDP, so ping tells you little about the issue you are experiencing.
Windows 10 home and pro have a habit of turning their firewall on by themselves.
Brware unmanaged switches that make any kind of security claim. The may block UDP because the continuous UDP transmissions from WATCHOUT may be mistaken for a Denial of service attack.
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23 minutes ago, fgadmin said:
… Should I introduce a router to assign addresses via DHCP?
No
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2 hours ago, UnitCone said:
… I'm not sure about UYVY convertion, what is it about? …
required when working with NDI streams, there are probably other things as well
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This issue may arise on systems with both a motherboard gpu and a discrete gpu like your NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060. Find the WIndows settings for graphics and set the display settings to use the nVidia RTX card for WATCHOUT
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1 hour ago, RBeddig said:
Well, I normally don't argue with jfk, but especially with HAP and AMD graphic cards we have seen those issues since 2018.
The reason seems to be that AMD introduced some sort of energy saving mechanism in their drivers, throttling the performance down when the rest of the computer is almost idle. H264 and ProRes use the CPU for rendering and they consume quite a lot of CPU power while playing HAP files can get unnoticed by the CPU. Playing a HAP fullHD@60fps leads to some 2% CPU use on our systems.
To test this theory, you could play your HAP file and add some ProRes or H264 file behind your HAP. This will make the CPU busy and should hinder the graphic card driver in throttling down.
Since using the old AMD driver didn't help you, you might investigate AMD drivers a bit more. I think I remember that AMD at some point brought out a separate tool to influence the energy settings of the driver but my memory could as well be wrong here.
I very much appreciate the input. Was not aware of the AMD energy saving concern. Wouldn’t that be variable rather than all the time?
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On 3/8/2023 at 11:26 AM, Carlo said:
... i never reach a good playback. Also because I've tried in a 8 year older build and it works without problems.
So that would appear to rule out WATCHOUT and the movie file. With those items verified, and the same movie specs play smoothly in ProRes but not in HAP, that truly is unusual. Hard to guess where your build has gone awry. I have never heard of the gpu driver affecting smooth playback, color issues yes, but not smooth playback issues. I defer to those who build PC servers ...
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Your screenshot chops the filename extension, so even that basic information as to what codec you are using is missing.
If you wish to compare other video players, be sure to disable hardware decoding in the player for a more useful comparison. WATCHOUT only uses software decoding on customer servers. (WATCHPAX, offers hardware decoding as a setting in the media item.)
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Can I sample RGB values from a location on the video file to run RGB lights via DMX?
in WATCHOUT FORUM
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The initial release of WATCHOUT 7 will not include video over DNX/ArtNet. Pretty small market, so it did not make the first pass. This function is planned in a future release. DMX/ArtNet is quickly overloaded by the high pixel counts of modern video, the applications tend to be relatively low resolution.
In the meantime there are boxes with video in and ArtNet output to accomodate these applications. The Schnick-Schnack-Systems Pixel-Gate is an example of such a device, I am sure there are others. I suspect the cost of one of those boxes paired with the cost of a WATCHOUT server is still competitive with other server solutions.