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MISTERK

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  1. Hi all first impressions with win 10 My config : - Asus Mobo x99 with P6000 nvidia and Xeon 10 cores - 16 Gb Ram and Win 10 x64 LTSB 1709 Fall Creators, - Dedicated drive for watchout is M.2 (samsung ,given for 3,500MB/s theorically Seq. Read) - watchout 6.2.1 - Nvidia Quadro Driver 391.33 all my questions are wrapped with ########## i had a big show last week, with 4x 4k outputs @50hz in watchout no softedge between them (hopefully!). i Ran into a lot of issues. First i couldn't have 3 or 4 files, playing at the same time on each screen. files are mpg2( 3840x1200, 200mb CBR) or Prores. the same video file, starting exactly at the same time, on each display. it worked only if i had 2 files playing, otherwise every output goes to black. it's not happening with still pictures (jpeg). it's not happening with Hap Video files. when i have at least my 2 files running, in mpeg2 starting exactly at the same time in tyhe time line, they don't play right, one is starting, the other is - starting later or - playing poorly. i tried 4 mpeg2 files(1920x1080 at 50p) at the same time no issue. i also try .mp4 but same problems. i have found that if loading preroll activated, it helps to play files better but still not starting at the same moment, i had to change the preroll time to different values to make it work. it also happened that i had to delete everyhing in the timeline, then just put one file, hit CTRL D, then the other file, hit CTRL D again to get something working. Files in Prores are playing very badly, it was playing well with my old display computers (win 7x64, quadro 4000) even only one file in prores is playing so bad. i forgot this codec for my show. And i didn't talk about crossfading between two video files. Less Problem With HAP or HAP alpha, it plays correctly. But i lost a lot of precious time, with hap encoding and transfering (very long encoding and huge file size). Anyway , Hap saved my life last night (not the DJ !) i also tried a HAP file 15360x 2160 at 50p it plays correctly, except crossfade between 2 files (maybe it's normal, it's huge files i mean) two times the same file in the time line : no problems three times, only two files are displayed, the third one is invisible. I had strange issues with Wav Files (16bits, 48Khz) sometimes it plays and sometimes not, i had one sound that has not played during the show, so i was in panic and stressed to death for the rest of the show, praying for sounds remaining in my timeline to work. It happened only once, but my clients were not very happy with it. I HAD A VERY VERY BAD AFTER-SHOW (with clients), I CAN TELL YOU !. i noticed that i had to set audio output to speakers, on my producer laptop, if i wanted to see the sound Icon back in the stage window. NEXT ISSUE IS : when starting watchout display software on display PC's. it takes a very long time and sometimes not working at all, i had to hit CTRL + ALT +DEL to stop watchout display and restart it again. (it take many seconds to start the 4 instances, i suppose one for each output). i always use a shortcut to start watchout display in the taskbar (shortcut is WIN + 1) no icons displayed on the screen, black background, hidden taskbar when not in us, etc... i noticed that watchout display starts better if you go in the windows menu, go to programs,watchout, and then watchout display. than using a shortcut, it crashes less with this method. puting watchout display shortcut in windows startup folder, seems to not work very well, so i disabled this (shell:startup ,remove wo display shortcut). i saw on the forum, i quote Jochri : ___________________________________________________________________ 1709 Fall Creators Upgrade => Stay away from it!!!! 1607/ 1703 =>Tested and save version. We did some big shows on it. ___________________________________________________________________ i'm with 1709 so bad choice for me ! ___________________________________________________________________ While until now Intel Speed Step technology needs to be deactivated to prevent Watchout from running out of sync on the new Xeon-W CPUs this feature must be activated to allow the CPU to go into turbo mode and use all the speed possible ___________________________________________________________________ #################################################################### i disabled Intel SpeedStep technology, so bad choice for me again ? #################################################################### i quote Benoit ___________________________________________________________________ In Windows 10, Nvidia graphics cards could produce flickering image in a multi-display setup. This issue is resolved in Nvidia Quadro drivers 385.77 and Nvidia Geforce drivers 388.00, or later. ___________________________________________________________________ i'm running Nvidia Quadro Driver 391.33 from 2018.3.27 so that is not the problem i think. i quote Miro : ___________________________________________________________________ If you want to take it to the next level and maximize robustness then make the OS partition constant (read-only) using the unified write filter that is provided by the enterprise versions. Never start windows explorer/desktop because it spawns tons of unnecessary disturbing processes (that can cause frame drops) and use the shell launcher to boot directly into WATCHOUT. Sure professional processors will provide you with ECC memory (increasing stability) and more cache memory making video decoding more efficient but Xeon W, Xeon Scalable or AMD Epyc might be overkill and too expensive for some setups. But if you want to go hi-end then these are the best options designed for heavy 24-7 usage. Constant systems either using file based write filter (FBWF, windows 7 embedded), enhanced write filter (EWF, windows 8.1 embedded) or unified write filter (UWF, windows 10 "embedded" aka Enterprise LTSB) is great for long term stability. Our WATCHPAX hardware is using FBWF by the way just for this purpose. ___________________________________________________________________ To never start windows explorer/desktop is impossible or does that mean : #################################################################### each time you open a window explorer on display PC's you have to restart display computers before playing ? #################################################################### #################################################################### how to start watchout manually (sometimes you need !) with shell ? #################################################################### how to had a delay to watchout display if it's in startup folder ? #################################################################### i think i have have ECC memory in the computer. I can see ECC memory on NVIDIA's GPU config panel, does it need to be activated ? two different operating modes for NVIDIA's GPU, one for computation and one for graphics #################################################################### which one to choose ? #################################################################### Vertical Sync is always on, is it a good choice or not ? #################################################################### #################################################################### Can someone describe the process with unified write filter in win 10 ? is it worth it, to get a more stable system ? #################################################################### With all these issues i didn't even try sync test at all but i'm afraid ! I know watchpax PC's are build with AMD 9100 so i hope NVIDIA's GPU are still compatible with watchout. #################################################################### You can say why not buy watchpax or watchmax ? #################################################################### because we use PC's for something else sometimes, rendering farm, other mediaserver software etc... and i have a clone image for each use, and one for watchout of course. Never have all these troubles when it was win 7 x64... i think i have a bad configuration, not stable with WIN 10, most of my problems are certainly coming from PC's bad tuning. I have another Big show coming next, i think i will go back to win 7 x64 a make a new install, #################################################################### BUT IS WATCHOUT 6.2.2 STILL WORKING WITH WIN 7 X64 ? #################################################################### I WILL FORGET WIN 10 FOR NOW UNTIL A TWEAKING LIST FOR THIS OS IS RELEASED, AND WHICH STABLE VERSION OF WIN 10 MUST BE INSTALLED . i know that dataton have legal stuff to deal with (thx Microsoft !) and i can understand that. Thx in advance for answers and sharing testers experience with this kind of troubles. TAK.
  2. hi all big big big troubles !!!!! i have 4x4K output in watchout ( win 1O x64 LTSB) NVIDIA P6000 watchout 6.2.1 when i want to play a hap file or a mpeg2 file(size :3840x1472)on one output every thing is fine when i want to play 4 times the same file starting exactly at the same time, on each output, watchout display goes black and nothing, the same for 3 times the same file. if i only play two same files at the same time it works. any idea of what's happening ? Thx
  3. Hi still no news for a win 10 tweaking list ? i feel a little unsecure with my win 10 watchout tuning ,not sure of what i'm doing. i wasn't with win 7 :))) a very big show is approaching for me... Tak !
  4. Hi dataton Hap seems to be a very good codec but so looooong to encode when you got files like 14592 x 2160 @ 50p compre to mpg2, with wich you can't achieve such resolution i know, except maybe in ffmpeg. i'm sure that a heavy powerfull hardware config matters, but what is the fastest software to achieve batch HAP encoding ? Adobe Media Encoder, FFMPEG...? Is dataton planning to support HEVC H265 and a New coming codec that seems interesting : open source AV1 ? Thx
  5. Hi all dataton crew, have you got some news on how to tweak correctly windows 10, to have a very stable config ? It is so differrent than win 7, and really need to be tuned correctly. Thanks
  6. Hi all welcome to the new version of watchout 6.2, and it's compatibility with win 10 , and happy birthday ! Will dataton release a tweaking list for win 10 x64 , pro or LTSB, as it was for win 7 ? or a super geek user who knows the beast ? Very important for users who build their own PC's, to get max perfs out of watchout 6 ! Recently try a p4000 Nvidia and notice that there is two different working modes, have to choose between GPU for Graphic Stuffs or GPU for Computation. Anyone knows what is the difference ? is it worth using MOSAIC settings in nvidia config panel for multiple outputs ? or don't use it and work as usual, configuring each plugged output ? Bye
  7. Hi all just a simple question is it ok to use last version watchout 6.1.6 with win 10 or to keep it running under win 7 ? or better to wait for 6.2 with win 10 ? Thnx
  8. Hi is it possible when you have a 3d-projector in watchout to have an width/distance ratio of 1:02, we have real projectors with 0.25 lenses and in watchout you can't get a value under 1:05 so it's impossible to use watchout to calibrate mapping projection with 3d objects Thanks
  9. i still got these warnings ! (each time ctrl-d) it's a little scary during a show. stress ! i have my 3D object on stage tier Base my 3 projectors are on tier 2. i have 9 virtual displays on tier 3 and 6 more on another tier 4. i have a 2d display in 1920x1080 on another tier 5, using 2 virtual displays (as cues in main timeline)from tier 3. All medias cues and the 2 virtual displays i'm using are on main timeline, no layers dedicated to a specific tier.
  10. i must add that i'm using two virtual projectors and a 3ds object for this show
  11. hi all
 
 for a show starting tomorrow i'm in a big trouble.
 
 i have one display computer with wo6.1 win7x64 
 i want it to work without master computer.
 i tried to use the same autostart script with wo5.5.2
 my first time i'm doing this with wo 6.1
 i use the script as in the documentation using "edit startup script "command on the display PC
 
 authenticate 1
 delay 5000
 load "the name of my show"
 wait
 run
 
 i put watchpoint.exe shortcut in windows startup folder
 i restart the PC , without any network cable plugged in.
 
 watchpoint starts and then nothing !
 it's stays on the wo logo
 
 
 as soon as i replug network beetween master computer and the slave PC
 IP address appears under the wo logo on the display PC and the show starts
 
 i always use this method with wo 5.5.2 and it has always worked
 
 something has changed with wo 6.1 ?
 or is there a new method ?
 it's very urgent
 if someone has any answer...
 
 Thanks

  12. here is a link to a piece of mpeg2 (8s PS) http://k.b.free.fr/testsize.rar size is 4096x656 but viewed as 1920x1152 in watchout , and no video just black i usually use this kind of mpegs in my show without any trouble although it's first time i get this size of file. i can see it in vlc ( i know it's not a good idea as vlc plays almost everything) Thanks
  13. hi all i made , using ffmpeg, mpeg2 files with no issue, playing very well. size was 3584x1080px @50p 100mb/s. on my next show clients gave me prores files 4096x656 @ 50p i tried to convert it to mpeg2 as usual with ffmpeg and when i put them in watchout (6.0.2 and 6.1) , in media window, my mpeg2 files are seen with a different size and a strange thumbnail (a grey square with arrows) watchout sees them in 1152x864 and once i throw it in the timeline , no video is displayed, black only. so i played them like they were initially : in prores. any idea ?
  14. what is this error i got and never had before in 6.0.2 and 6.1 ? 3d object in .3ds is at 0x0 in stage view and virtual display is 10000px away. virtual display is used as texture for my 3d object and i don't have any virtual display as a cue in my timeline Thx 4 help.
  15. hi first of all let me tell you that calibration points are an amazing feature ! Q: is it possible to use standard presplit videos with 3d projectors ? Q: can you decribe how virtual displays works ? is it the master sending frames of my video in each slave computers or is it loaded in each slave computers ? is there any difference and what is best to use : obj or 3ds ? Tak
  16. hi do you think v6 will be realeased for beginning june ? Bye
  17. great version it will be i'm sure of that, don't forget if you need beta test i'm more than ready, waiting for this sonce 4 years : maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapping ! i already think about 2 or 3 shows i'll have this spring/summer, i won't need to use over softwares anymore ! can't wait Bye
  18. hi all i usually use a txt file for some shows, so i don't need a master computer, yesterday i've done the same thing as usual: Creating a shorcut of watchpoint.exe rightclick - properties, and in the target field adding at the end of the path Cmd.txt, the text file which is where the watchout is installed, in the same folder with watchpoint.exe etc... The Cmd.txt is filled with the same instructions than in the example in the user's guide and in the forum. But this time, as i tried to add the Cmd.txt in the target field, windows says the specified file can not be find, verify the path (translated from french sorry) Any new trick since 5.5.1 version of WO ? Something in windows i missed ? Watchout is 5.5.1 on windows 7 x64 French version. If someone can help me. Thx
  19. the firewire card is inside a laptop, it is a part of the motherboard, and i didn't try with another player, but which one ? that device should have a firewire no ?
  20. hi all i have a show running with 7:1 audio , so i have 8 audio channels to output, sound guy gave me an 8 channels embeded wav file, so i have only one cue in my timeline, running with a video at the same time. It's a 10mn loop and plays during all day, almost 10hrs a day, 6 days/week. i'm running my show with win 7 x64 and WO 5.5.1 and a Echo AudioFire 12. the driver for the soundcard is 5.8 and that soundcard is set to be the default output device in Windows to be sure windows will use it only ! My Echo AudioFire 12 is plugged in a standalone watchout PC (starts alone with cmd.txt) with Mini-DV to FW-400 cable. The Echo AudioFire 12 is also plugged to main power, to be sure there's enough power. Sound is working good, i have my 8 output playing great. My problem is that after a loop or two of my show..NO MORE AUDIO !!! it seems like the Echo AudioFire 12 have been unplugged ! i have to unplug - replug the Mini-DV to FW-400 cable to make it visible again for Windows ! Any one experiencing the same issue ? A solution ? Do i have to make the Echo AudioFire 12 only plugged with mini-DV to FW-400 cable and not to main power ? i really need help Thx
  21. oh and i forgot 7 - selection before the locator 8 - selection of all medias and cue on one layer 9 - duplication of compositions 10 - in-time for compositions 11 - better managment of stage tiers, there's no way to destroy or rearrange tiers. 12 - shortcut and/or keystroke for most common tween tracks keyframing (opacity, position etc...) to get rid off as possible as it can of mouse (...slow programming) 13 - to be able to choose a part of a media or the whole media itself for deformation (with an adjustable warpgrid) 14 - same for display itself and so on....
  22. oh and maybe a 64 bit version of watchout ? Ciao
  23. As the market change ('cause that's what final customers ask for) Capable 3d and mapping softwares are more and more used for performances, And now working with media files made "in point of view" of the projectors, even with the grid warp deformation of watchout or of projector become difficult and very long to setup, with very complicated mapping shows. the time between setup a system and the show itself has shorten. these days production companies rent a hall, convention center rooms, for 2 or 3 days . 1st day is setup of evrything, video, watchout etc...and rehearsals the same day, and the 2 days of show. for long period installation watchout is perfect but most of the time it's for short or one shot performances. watchout is most of the time very easy to setup and one of the most stable softwares i've ever work with. watchout can make a 22 000 px X 1080 so easily. i'm a watchout user since 10 years now (i remember my first shows with G4 macintosh...ol'days) So what's the problem now ? i think of several things some of them have been already told in the forum but... sorry for repeating. 1- to be able to see the grid mesh deformer on the display itself (should b helpfull...) 2- possibilty of drawing bezier masks or shapes in watchout (i had a show one month ago, with sort of organic shaped screens, and it could have been so great to have that option.in real time. 3- the 4 corner option was a major feature, but i had to put my show entirely in compositions and then use the 4 corner option to deform the way i want (not very simple) maybe enhancement for that option would be great. same deformation option as the screen itself (perspective, full etc...) 4- the mapping "dossier" : i'm sure you already think about something for next version of watchout... and what to do to modify an object texture, it's uv coordinates etc...to give a part of the job to the video technician, some kind of remote module where it can handle deformation. 5- importing a 3d object was a pain in the ass with previous versions of pandora, they have change that stuff and now u can import simple 3ds files. and then mapping medias become more efficient. i'm not sure but the uv coordinates must be done first or you can modify it after imorting (i've played with pandora sometimes but very ugly, complicated and unfriendly interface ) GPU are so powerfull now, i'm sure it's possible to use that power. i remain a fervent user of watchout since beginning as it is the most simple, reliable, hardware independent, system i know. So what can we expect for wo 6? Thanks for reading and sorry for this long list of questions... Tak K. 6- maybe a way to work with two master computer on the same show, to gain time for big performances (and let us sleep one hour or two hahahha)
  24. hi all is there anyway to draw shapes or mask (in bezier's curves)?, or with any another way. i need to match real shapes on stage and then have a good shap ein watchout for masking. Thnks
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