RayS
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Hi Ray,
I've never measured this, but more or less instantly, I would say.
/jonas
more or less instant is excellent indeed,
thanks
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Ray, i'm sure you're not the cause of this subject, and no one is saying that only professionals should be allowed to post, but I suppose you're not a regular here? If you would be, then after the 10th time you read a topic answered with a reference to the basic manual (basically a RTFM response) or to the tweaklist / stable codec document... I'm sure you'd understand to some extend where Hugo is coming from. If I use a product I'm not experienced with (and I always do since I love learning new techniques) my first resource is the device itself (hands on / just DO it), next the manual, then search the internet and this would possibly lead me to a user forum. Which I would first SEARCH, in stead of posting a question immediately.
I know the meaning of the word forum but each forum has it's own purpose. Though I somewhat agree that at first it seems annoying that every post has to be approved (I found it strange at first) and you have a point in saying that approved forum members should be able to respond immediately, I've grown to appreciate this selective method and meanwhile, I even think it's not selective enough.
I challenge you, come back each week, read each post and tell me how you feel two years from now about the policy. Being just a tad more selective will still keep this forum alive and valuable to each reader, I'm sure.
Jonas and Walter thanks for your replies....
Having been a member on many technical forums, this is the first time I experience this behaviour and the disturbing fact is this, who decides when a question or query is adequate or beyond the text written in the manual....all moderators that have xx years experience with the product? those who've written the code? the developers? other posters at pro level? who? whenever a post receives an RTFM type reply from a fellow poster, IIMO(it is my opinion) that this fellow poster should have kept quiet and passed by that particular post......RTFM is a rude answer in any if not even the most obvious cases, the moderators or creators or experts and pro or power users don't need to be concerned with user levels, they should actually rejoice that more people are using the product and other users of lesser capabilities will take care of answering those basic questions and in time perhaps become power users themselves......to teach is to share the knowledge and to share knowledge is to teach. In my experience, most answers of the RTFM type could easily have been answered directly along with a slight quote on the page # etc....I also find this RTFM answer subject to myriad misconceptions when addressing posters from all over the world as the written english is not necessarily at the same level for everyone......again who decides? it's your Forum and I am a guest here because I need to know something about what the application can do for my productions, posters should not concern themselves with the why I don't quite understand what the manual describes or did I even do a forum search or read the manual (I did both). Sorry Walter and others for the rant and the long winded digression so far from the original post.
RayS
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From the WATCHOUT 5.2 manual, a good read, P84-85, TIMECODE CONTROL:
"WATCHOUT can accept a standard timecode signal for controlling the main
timeline. This timecode synchronization feature uses the LTC format accordingto the EBU or SMPTE standards. You can control either the productioncomputer or the display cluster.To control the production computer, select the “Timecode Control of MainTimeline” checkbox under Preferences, Control (as seen on the previous page).Specify the timecode format and any offset to be applied. Connect the timecodesignal to Line In connector of the production computer. Starting the timecodefeed should now start the main timeline at the position specified by the timecode.IMPORTANT: Make sure that the correct sound input port is selected in theSound Control Panel shown to the left, and that the input volume is turnedup, indicated by the green bar next to the active recording device.You can use the separate Timecode Tester application (see next page) on theproduction computer to troubleshoot any timecode issues.HINT: Add a “Timecode Position” item to the Status window to view thecurrent timecode being received. See “Status Window” on page 112.."MIDI Timecode, MTC, is not supported./jonasJonas, thanks for your reply,
I have read the manual but 2 things struck me when reading the timecode reference paragraph..chapter 5 page 83 entitled "External Control" shows the possibility to control a show computer through the TC/IP port....I just wanted to be sure whether this was or not available for control through the timecode feature?!.....also, since I am the sound designer for the show and production manager I don't use watchout myself, I have spoken with our video tech and he's never used the timecode functions in watchout before as our shows have never necessitated this feature, so before I can spec Dataton for this particular production,I do need to know more about the timecode hence the apparent "basic" questions on the subject, and because he only speaks french I offered to ask some of these rather basic questions on your Forum. So then can you tell me how fast watchout locks to the incoming timecode...i.e fast ?instant ?or takes a while? or several seconds or ???
Thanks you
RayS
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Dear Forum members
Thanks for your feedback. As Mike correctly point out above, there are many different voices out there. I do however think that most of us share the opinion that moderation is necessary to keep the quality up and noise level down. Here are some rules we (the moderators) do apply:
• We delete all spam (of course)
• We also delete all posts which includes a direct sales pitch
• We filter posts with no relation to WATCHOUT
• We always re-direct support questions with no general interest to support@dataton.com (sometime we do re-post the answers)
• We approve as much as possible in order to highlight as many aspect of WATCHOUT as possible and keep the communication between members "alive"
• FYI, we have moderators in Europe and in the US so approvals should not be be pending more than half a day.
The tricky part for the moderators is to determine what is of general interest and what is not and when we are not sure we usually choose to approve. I think this has been the right approach so far, building a wide interest for the forum. But I do agree, as the forum has been growing rapidly, it is now time to review and possibly also adjust the moderation policy slightly. Thanks again for raising the topic.
Best regards,
Fredrik S
Being the poster most recently responsible for this thread's inception, I would like to point out that although moderation is indeed necessary, it should not be so at the mercy of preventing posters from as instant an access to the Forum as possible by the inclusion of moderator approval for each and every response to every post or thread. Once a poster has achieved membership status and until such time he or she forfeits that status, there should be as much freedom as needed to make the Forum as expedient as it can be by allowing any and all users to chime in at will. After all the word Forum means just that : A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
As a moderator myself on pro audio Forums I do not see the need for this extra step as all of the other moderator's responsibilities, already listed by Fredrik S, address much of the "noise and quality aspects of what this and other pro Forums should be......if a moderator needs to approve a post or reply then he or she can answer it directly! and there will be no need for a Forum ! it just doesn't make sense. This also makes the possibility of active live discussions nearly ipossible If indeed the questions are too banal or basic, do as other forums do and move things to the "basement" sort of speak or general area of a forum or divide it in different levels from beginners to expert.
If much of the posts should be addressed to Dataton sales, support or marketing then by all means forward this to the appropriate department and acknowledge that you did moderate that way, but to claim that only "professional colleague's" posts should be on the Forum than you might as well call this a club , a very exclusive one at that.....to be a professional is also to teach, that is how one becomes known as a pro.
Moderation =YES
Approval, past the acceptance as a forum member = NO
In closing I would like to thank Fredrik S for his very professional handling and mature reply to my original comments to the moderators.
Thanks
RayS
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Timecode is preferable to MIDI (note, controller) or other control protocols if the goal is to keep the WATCHOUT timeline in precise lock-step with the timeline of another system. If so, this other system provides a timecode feed wich is received and accurately tracked by WATCHOUT.
Hope this helps.
Mike
Thanks for the information Mike, I plan to trigger watchout from Digital performer in order to preserve the ability to playback multitrack audio files.....right now acting as the show's the audio designer I don't yet have access to our watchout system to test this but will in a few weeks once production starts.....so my basic question is can I send MTC to the ethernet port on the watchout computer? or do you have other suggestion and how fast does watchout lock up to incoming timecode? (for rehearsals)?
Thanks
Ray
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trying to get some info on triggering watchout sequences with timecode from an external comp...how fast does it lock up? is it reliable? anything else I should be aware of doing it this way? any suggestions? is midi(note ? program ch.) better adapted to this?
Also I see form the manual that I could control thru the tcip port or line in....which is best for timecode??? or is the tcip port only for controlling the production comp with timecode
Thanks
RayS
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timecode question
in WATCHOUT FORUM
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thanks JFK .
Thoams, I on a mac! (digital performer) we do have a full watchout rig but it is on the road right now,,,,I will be able to test this next week when the WO rig comes back at the shop. Just needed the detailed info to bring at our production meetings as alternatives for playing back synced audio and video files for our next show.
Thanks for your input.
RayS