Lucas Heerings Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 Hi all, We need to mute and unmute all audio by DMX. What i know you can is with DMX controlling the complete audio volume but that is not ideal. I need one channel to mute the audio and one channel to unmute the audio. Is there a possibility to do so? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator jfk Posted June 11, 2019 Moderator Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 I am curious why you would not control master audio mute at the audio system? "What i know you can is with DMX controlling the complete audio volume but that is not ideal. " ??? Why? Do not set audio volume with the DMX input, simply multiply all audio tweens by the input value. "I need one channel to mute the audio and one channel to unmute the audio." That seems unnecessarily complicated. One channel at 0% for off/mute and 100% for on / unmute would make more sense would it not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Heerings Posted June 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 I am curious why you would not control master audio mute at the audio system? There is no audio system behind the Watchpax. it goes straight to the speakers. ??? Why? Do not set audio volume with the DMX input, simply multiply all audio tweens by the input value. DMX is used for more than controlling the watchpax. When you want to change the volume you need to change the programming in the DMX controller. When we get a mute/unmute we can set the volume in watchpax. That seems unnecessarily complicated. One channel at 0% for off/mute and 100% for on / unmute would make more sense would it not? agree when possible this situation is better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator jfk Posted June 11, 2019 Moderator Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Lucas Heerings said: I am curious why you would not control master audio mute at the audio system? There is no audio system behind the Watchpax. it goes straight to the speakers. ??? Why? Do not set audio volume with the DMX input, simply multiply all audio tweens by the input value. DMX is used for more than controlling the watchpax. When you want to change the volume you need to change the programming in the DMX controller. When we get a mute/unmute we can set the volume in watchpax. That seems unnecessarily complicated. One channel at 0% for off/mute and 100% for on / unmute would make more sense would it not? agree when possible this situation is better. Are you saying it is not possible? If it is possible, then the solution is quite simple. Otherwise, the solution using two channels is quite complex - you will need a TCP string output, a generic input, two auxiliary timelines and the two DMX inputs. Either single channel or two channels you need to multiply all audio tweens by the designated input value. And how do you propose to change the mute channel and un-mute channel? There has to be a state change from false (DMX set to a predetermined value or range of values) to true (DMX set to a different predetermined value or range of values) to trigger a mute change event. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Heerings Posted June 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 Well I am new to Watchout and I could not find this function. our reseller did also not know the solution. Can you explain how to set up the function you describe. for sure: The only thing my Controller can send is DMX. I can't sent a TCP or UDP command from my controller. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator jfk Posted June 11, 2019 Moderator Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, Lucas Heerings said: Well I am new to Watchout and I could not find this function. It is not a built in function, you build a custom set of functions using the available tools in WATCHOUT. Quote our reseller did also not know the solution. Can you explain how to set up the function you describe. for sure: The only thing my Controller can send is DMX. Yes, I can explain it, but before I go through that exercise, need specifics so I do not have to do it multiple times. • WATCHOUT version you are using? • DMX universe and channel for engage mute. Value that will be sent to trigger (easiest way is if 0 value is not active, any non-zero value is trigger, but if you need something else, please describe) • DMX universe and channel for release mute. Value that will be sent to trigger (easiest way is if 0 value is not active, any non-zero value is trigger, but if you need something else, please describe) Keep in mind that you must reset to an inactive value after each trigger / before next trigger. i.e. if 0 is inactive, then after setting a non-zero value to trigger a state change, you must return to 0 before attempting the next trigger. Quote I can't sent a TCP or UDP command from my controller. Understood, not needed. WATCHPAX will be sending TCP to localhost to trigger itself, no other TCP needed. I am working at Infocomm 2019 (USA) this week, so it will take some time before I can provide that (have it by tomorrow morning). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Heerings Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 17 hours ago, jfk said: It is not a built in function, you build a custom set of functions using the available tools in WATCHOUT. Yes, I can explain it, but before I go through that exercise, need specifics so I do not have to do it multiple times. • WATCHOUT version you are using? I am using watchout version 6.3.1. • DMX universe and channel for engage mute. Value that will be sent to trigger (easiest way is if 0 value is not active, any non-zero value is trigger, but if you need something else, please describe) DMX channel 10 universe 0. I need to change this on site. Value 0 non active, non zero active is fine. • DMX universe and channel for release mute. Value that will be sent to trigger (easiest way is if 0 value is not active, any non-zero value is trigger, but if you need something else, please describe) DMX channel 11 universe 0. I need to change this on site. Value 0 non active, non zero active is fine. Keep in mind that you must reset to an inactive value after each trigger / before next trigger. i.e. if 0 is inactive, then after setting a non-zero value to trigger a state change, you must return to 0 before attempting the next trigger. Understood, we will sent DMX like a pulse for 2 sec or so. Understood, not needed. WATCHPAX will be sending TCP to localhost to trigger itself, no other TCP needed. I am working at Infocomm 2019 (USA) this week, so it will take some time before I can provide that (have it by tomorrow morning). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator jfk Posted June 12, 2019 Moderator Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Hi Lucas, I had hoped to do this last night, show opens soon and I will not be able to get to it until tonight (US time zone). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Heerings Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 No problem, not in a hurry. If you can help me before Friday it would be great. 😉 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Ramos Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 I took this as a challenge and based on JFK's instruction decided to try and make it. Here is my take on it, check the video and let me know if it does what you need. Video tutorial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator jfk Posted June 13, 2019 Moderator Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Using two DMX channels, one for mute on and one for mute off makes this way more complicated than it needs to be. Additional programming is required to support both cluster mode and production mode, using conditional layers to switch between modes (otherwise if you left both active, there would always be errors). In production mode, you must be online for this to work. ... (damn forum system shrinks this image, original image) for cluster mode ... Use the set condition option on the cluster mode load command , like load Sample_DMX_audio_mute_control True True 2 On the other hand, using a single channel, it is super simple, no special programming for production mode / cluster mode, works either way. No need to set external TCP control of production. No need to use conditions. No need to use Tasks. Works in production mode online or offline. It as simple as this ... (damn forum system shrinks this image, original image) The two shows above (without the audio file, substitute your audio file in the media window) can be downloaded from http://dataton.net/watchout/DMX_mute_stuff/SampleDMXcontrol-audio_mute.zip 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Heerings Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Thanks you both for you work! I still need to try it, but it looks good. The only thing i am worrying about is the Online thing. In production mode, you must be online for this to work. ... The thing is the Watchpax will be used stand alone. There will not be a production computer. Will it work without a production computer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator jfk Posted June 15, 2019 Moderator Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Yes, it will work in cluster mode providing the TCP output object is set to port 3039 as it is done in my examples. The cluster master handles the DMX communication. The online comment only relates to Production mode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Heerings Posted July 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Finally got some time to work on it. Thanks for your help! Got it working after some changes. Had some challenges with the Cluster and Online mode but its working perfect! First time using this forum and I am not disappointed😉 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DavidA Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 Glad it worked out, Lucas! And you will find a wast amount of knowledge in this forum. And people who want to help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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