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#41 jfk

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Posted 29 January 2017 - 11:40 PM

Hi All,

 

Do you have some news related testing WO6 on WIN10?

... Does Dataton has some experience to share with us? 

 

Yes, the most up to date information is found here: WATCHOUT 6.1.5



#42 glulab

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 11:21 AM

Yes, the most up to date information is found here: WATCHOUT 6.1.5

yep.. that is 1 year old thread.. so no news! we are stuck with win7



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Posted 30 January 2017 - 04:55 PM

yep.. that is 1 year old thread.. 

 

Say what? The referenced thread was started 17 January 2017 - 11:17 AM EST

and the referenced post #3 provides up to date info on Windows 10, dated 18 January 2017 - 04:58 AM EST.

All less than two weeks old.  :huh:

 

so no news! we are stuck with win7

 

Well yes, but as the referenced post describes,

that is a result of bugs in Windows 10 under Microsoft DirectX 9.

Please read the referenced post,

it is the most up to date info on Windows 10 and WATCHOUT.



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Posted 31 January 2017 - 01:33 AM

ops! Sorry it seemed to be an old thread.

 

There is any particular reason to don't move on DirectX 12? it seems that Microsoft is focused on DirectX 12. Other big software in the market moved to win 10 and, after a while, they work flawlessly.

 

Thank you for your time.



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Posted 31 January 2017 - 09:40 AM

ops! Sorry it seemed to be an old thread.

 

There is any particular reason to don't move on DirectX 12? it seems that Microsoft is focused on DirectX 12. 

 

As explained in that post,

 a move to DirectX 12 would outdate all hardware running Windows 7 or Windows 8.

 

i.e. that means outdating WATCHPAX, WATCHMAX and

just about every professionally prepared WATCHOUT server in use today.

 

Long term that is not an acceptable reason, agreed,

  but short term, it is what it is.

Personally, I feel if Dataton wants to remain current,

they are facing an increased development / support load,

potentially offering both ...

  • WATCHOUT Classic — 32 bit DX9, Quicktime support
  • WATCHOUT — 64 bit DX12, no Quicktime support EXCEPT for the four QT .mov exception codecs

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#46 Nigel

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 07:15 AM

Has anybody successfully used the "Downgrade rights from windows 10 Pro to Windows 7".

 

I'm hitting a brick wall with Microsoft saying that only manufacturers, DELL and HP can use this.

 

I would really like to know what steps you went through with Microsoft to activate Windows 7 Pro with a Windows 10 Pro OEM key.



#47 songyost kesornsuwan

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:33 PM

hi all 

When i switch on my computor [windows 10] , my show start automaticly (windows startup) and go online (preferences setting)....

I would like now to run the show from my main timeline. canbe or not and how

thank you fir you

songyost k.



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:36 AM

Hi Songyost

 

I shall answer your post separately since it is not directly related to Windows 10 issue.



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Posted 24 June 2017 - 07:06 PM

Has anybody successfully used the "Downgrade rights from windows 10 Pro to Windows 7".

 

I'm hitting a brick wall with Microsoft saying that only manufacturers, DELL and HP can use this.

 

I would really like to know what steps you went through with Microsoft to activate Windows 7 Pro with a Windows 10 Pro OEM key.

 

From what I have googled, all you need is a prior Windows Pro key (sort of as proof that you do own a Windows 7 Pro), even though it was activated before on another computer. In other words, activation does not depend on the key but on the fact that you have previously owned one. Not sure if this applies to OEM versions. Alternatively, do a dual-boot installation.

 

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 12:49 AM

I can't re use a Windows 7 key to activate another computer can I?

How would dual boot work in this situation?

-All I would have is an illegal copy of windows 7 and Windows 10 which still can't run Watchout properly.

 

We really need to know how far away Watchout is from a working windows 10 solution.......



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:27 PM

Hi, WATCHOUT is working fine in Windows 10.

 

It's a bit harder to configure regular Windows 10 for 24-7 usage without any interrupting processes and for that I could only recommend LTSB versions that are intended for embedded systems.

 

There is a NVIDIA driver bug which may cause flickering on displays when using different display devices on the same GPU. This seems to be related to Microsoft's WDDM 2.0 (Windows Display Driver Model) which was introduced in Windows 10. Nvidia is working on this and hopefully they will have a solution available soon.

 

For WATCHOUT Production, please turn off the "Scroll inactive windows when I hover over them" feature in the mouse settings since this is causing an annoying scrolling behavior.



#52 Thomas Leong

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 03:39 PM

I can't re use a Windows 7 key to activate another computer can I?

How would dual boot work in this situation?

-All I would have is an illegal copy of windows 7 and Windows 10 which still can't run Watchout properly.

 

We really need to know how far away Watchout is from a working windows 10 solution.......

 

1. AFAIK, you can re-use a Windows 7 key to activate another computer. Think the idea is that since you do own a genuine Windows 7 Pro previously, and now a Windows 10 Pro, and is therefore allowed to 'downgrade' the Windows 10 to 7 using 'prior owned Windows 7 key'. That's what I've read anyway. Have not tried it myself.

 

2. The way I'm dual booting between my Windows 10 Pro OEM and Windows 7 Pro OEM is via the motherboard/BIOS facility provided by my ASRock Z270M Pro4 either by going into BIOS or F11 on boot up and choosing the hdd/ssd/M.2 I want to boot from. Win 10 was installed first on an old PCIe2.0x2 Plextor M.2, then the M.2 was physically removed, and Win 7 installed on an old 60GB Corsair SSD. I then connected back both and booted from F11 choice.

 

There is another option(s) where one gets a menu screen to 'Choose an Operating System' but the process is quite involved and I have not tried it -

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wiki/windows_10-windows_install/how-to-dual-boot-windows-7-or-windows-8-with/9ac7acc1-2152-4907-a9de-bd507273a57d

or

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2108-dual-boot-windows-10-windows-7-windows-8-a.html

or

https://www.howtogeek.com/197647/how-to-dual-boot-windows-10-with-windows-7-or-8/

 

3. My experience so far with Win 10 as a Display PC operating system is stable. During installation and after, however, it involves a lot more disabling/uninstalling of apps, etc since Win 10 is targeted towards internet connectivity. As for using Watchout (6.1.6) there are at least a couple of problems -

i) I needed to update my BIOS to the latest to run Hap codec files smoothly. Nothing else changed but the BIOS and earlier BIOS versions gave me stuttering playback on Hap files.

ii) With Win 7, Watchpoint started with Displays 1,2,3,4 in the order they are connected on the outputs. With Win 10 on the same hardware (i7-7700K - a Kabylake cpu; Firepro W4100), Watchpoint gave me Display 1,2,4,3!! So I had to swap Outputs 3 and 4 in the Stage Window to correct the anomaly.

iii) Presently unresolved is the fact that H264 files play with a little stuttering at times with Win 10. Win 7 plays the same files smoother overall.

iv) This is obviously hardware related: So far, I have found that ordinary cheap RAM fixed at 2133MHz performs better under both Win 7 and 10 versus more expensive Kingston HyperX with XMP Profile at 2800MHz. Probably needs more testing to confirm, and maybe another set of RAM from another manufacturer.

 

Thomas Leong



#53 Thomas Leong

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 06:32 PM

Here is the authority from Microsoft that when downgrading, "...the media/key should come from a previously licensed product from the OEM or retail channel." -

 

https://dpcenter.microsoft.com/en/Windows/License/cp-understanding-downgrade-rights

 

Also, under "Downgrade Rights" of https://dpcenter.microsoft.com/en/Licensing/OEM-Activation/cp-Licensing-FAQ -

Q. Where do end users get the CD/media to install the downgrade software?

A. End users must install the downgrade software using a legally licensed copy of the specified previous version of the Windows desktop or server operating system. The downgrade software may be from the retail, OEM system builder, or Volume Licensing channels.

 

Seemingly confidently confirmed by a forum 'well-known member' going by the name of nlinecomputers in -

https://www.technibble.com/forums/threads/downgrade-windows-10-pro-to-windows-7-pro-license-key.70395/

 

Thomas Leong



#54 jfk

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 08:34 PM

Thank you Thomas for finding those updated links.

I had posted links to that same information year ago, but they now no longer work.

 

Thanks again for finding the current links.  :)

 

Here is the authority from Microsoft that when downgrading, "...the media/key should come from a previously licensed product from the OEM or retail channel." -

 

https://dpcenter.microsoft.com/en/Windows/License/cp-understanding-downgrade-rights

 

Also, under "Downgrade Rights" of https://dpcenter.microsoft.com/en/Licensing/OEM-Activation/cp-Licensing-FAQ -

Q. Where do end users get the CD/media to install the downgrade software?

A. End users must install the downgrade software using a legally licensed copy of the specified previous version of the Windows desktop or server operating system. The downgrade software may be from the retail, OEM system builder, or Volume Licensing channels.

 

Seemingly confidently confirmed by a forum 'well-known member' going by the name of nlinecomputers in -

https://www.technibble.com/forums/threads/downgrade-windows-10-pro-to-windows-7-pro-license-key.70395/

 

Thomas Leong

 

To be safe this time, I have captured the linked info above to

archive as a pdf online (in case the  above links stop working in the future)

captured 26_Jun_2017

 


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 12:30 AM

Thanks JFK, Thomas

 

I have looked at the same pages and forwarded them to Microsoft.

 

They will not issue a key to activate windows 7 if you have brought a Windows 10 license and want to downgrade.

 

The article refers to a computer where somebody has purchased windows 7, upgraded to windows 10, then wants to go back to windows 7.

 

I spent days on the phone with Microsoft trying to explain the situation with no solution.

 

I would like to know if anybody has been successful?



#56 Miro

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

Thomas, LTSB versions of Windows10 doesn't include any apps, games, cortana, store etc. and therefore is pretty easy to configure.



#57 Thomas Leong

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 01:53 PM

Thomas, LTSB versions of Windows10 doesn't include any apps, games, cortana, store etc. and therefore is pretty easy to configure.

 

Hi Miro,

 

Unfortunately, most of us, even systems integrators, are unable to buy the LTSB version from retail stores...perhaps because we do not buy in quantities. In my country, only OEM versions seem to be sold over the counter.

 

Thomas



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Posted 29 June 2017 - 01:29 PM

Hi Miro,

 

A Windows 10 tweaking list would be appreciate.

 

Thank you.



#59 Nigel

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 12:23 AM

Hi Miro

 

I Second that motion.

 

Regards

 

Nigel



#60 Benjamin Brostian

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 02:01 PM

Hi support,

 

it would be nice to get a Windows 10 tweaking list - as Quim said.

 

Is there any place to find it?







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