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#1 jyhk

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Posted 26 August 2015 - 01:49 AM

I have a system with one production server and three display servers running WO5. 

 

I was wondering if I was to trigger the timeline externally via a SMPTE timecode, will I still be able to maintain control over/manually override on the production server?

 

Also, will I need the SMPTE signal plugged into the line in of the production server? Do I need set the display servers as a 'display cluster' 

 

Thank in advance. 

 

Jason 



#2 Mike Fahl

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Posted 26 August 2015 - 08:02 AM

When running the system from the production computer, then plug the timecode into the production computer. You can enable/disable timecode in Preferences, or by simply disconnecting the timecode. If you want to run the cluster without the production computer (form some other external control system), you need to connect the timecode to the primary cluster computer.

 

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Posted 26 August 2015 - 02:47 PM

When running the system from the production computer, then plug the timecode into the production computer. You can enable/disable timecode in Preferences, or by simply disconnecting the timecode. If you want to run the cluster without the production computer (form some other external control system), you need to connect the timecode to the primary cluster computer.

 

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for your reply. 

 

During show operations, if I have the timecode enabled and the timecode connected to the production.. will I still be able to manually override and take control of the timeline?

 

I am thinking of backup solution if the timecode does fail or fall out of sync during operation.

 

Thanks again.

 

Jason



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Posted 26 August 2015 - 04:35 PM

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your reply. 

 

During show operations, if I have the timecode enabled and the timecode connected to the production.. will I still be able to manually override and take control of the timeline?

 

I am thinking of backup solution if the timecode does fail or fall out of sync during operation.

 

Thanks again.

 

Jason

 

As long as the timecode is present on the input and timecode is enabled,

you could move the timeline, and timecode will pull it right back.

 

If timecode has ceased at the input -or- if timecode is disabled,

then yes, you can manually control the timeline.



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Posted 10 September 2015 - 08:23 AM

Hi everybody,

 

I've been using watchout or 4 years now, but I'm new in this timecode.  Can  you please give me a step / guide on how to setup to make it work.  What are the things I need, needed to be done? I want to control my timeline through timecode. I'm using watchout V5.5.

 

Thanks in advance.  :D



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Posted 10 September 2015 - 03:21 PM

Hi everybody,

 

I've been using watchout or 4 years now, but I'm new in this timecode.  Can  you please give me a step / guide on how to setup to make it work.  What are the things I need, needed to be done? I want to control my timeline through timecode. I'm using watchout V5.5.

 

Thanks in advance.  :D

 

Will you be using timecode in cluster mode? (i.e. no Production computer - recommended)

or with a WATCHOUT Production computer online?

The procedures are very different.



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Posted 12 September 2015 - 08:49 AM

Will you be using timecode in cluster mode? (i.e. no Production computer - recommended)

or with a WATCHOUT Production computer online?

The procedures are very different.

 

I would be needing watchout controlling the lights with the use of timecode. probably with production computer. I want to record dmx cues for the lights. i know it is possible but I don't know how to make it work.

 

Thanks JFK



#8 Mike Fahl

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 02:35 PM

First, you need a timecode source. I assume you have something here already, or you wouldn't be asking the question. If not, there are a couple of free iOS apps that can generate timecode. Connect the timecode feed to the audio input jack of the production pc (in your case), or the display PC in case you don't need the production PC in the system. On the produciton PC, use the Timecode Tester app to verify proper timecode reception (see page 85 in the WO5 manual). Quit the timecode tester app, and start the production software. Load you show and enable timecode control in Preferences (see page 122). Start your timecode source, and it will drive your main timeline.

 

In case you want to drive the display PC, see page 268 for the appropriate command.

 

Hope that helps. I also intend making a video that walks through the procedure within the next few weeks.

 

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Posted 01 October 2015 - 07:08 AM

First, you need a timecode source. I assume you have something here already, or you wouldn't be asking the question. If not, there are a couple of free iOS apps that can generate timecode. Connect the timecode feed to the audio input jack of the production pc (in your case), or the display PC in case you don't need the production PC in the system. On the produciton PC, use the Timecode Tester app to verify proper timecode reception (see page 85 in the WO5 manual). Quit the timecode tester app, and start the production software. Load you show and enable timecode control in Preferences (see page 122). Start your timecode source, and it will drive your main timeline.

 

In case you want to drive the display PC, see page 268 for the appropriate command.

 

Hope that helps. I also intend making a video that walks through the procedure within the next few weeks.

 

Mike

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Hi Mike, 

 

Thanks for your detailed response. If you have any of the procedure videos available, could you please share them? They will be of great help! 

 

Much appreciated!

 

Jason

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www.cosmoproav.com



#10 Morgan Wong

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Posted 01 October 2015 - 04:13 PM

Hi Mike, 

 

Thanks for your detailed response. If you have any of the procedure videos available, could you please share them? They will be of great help! 

 

Much appreciated!

 

Jason

Cosmo Pro AV - Hong Kong
www.cosmoproav.com

you are welcome to contact me by email to arrange a session for you in Hong Kong.

say hello to Philip for me.

 

Morgan.



#11 jyhk

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Posted 07 October 2015 - 10:01 AM

Still unsuccessful to get timecode input into the production server. They have tested 30fps and 25fps LTC signals. They are successfully getting an input level in the 'line in' (also tried using 'mic in') in the production server but they are not getting any signal in the Watchout Timecode Tester application. 

 

Any suggestion on this issue? Thank you so much in advance. 



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 10:17 AM

The "Timecode Tester" app should give you a level readout in the horizontal bar graph. Do you see any signal here? If not, something is wrong with how audio input is routed. ItThe signal needs to appear on the Windows default audio input device I believe. If so, the Timecode Tester should indicate a good signal level (although if it is constantly at 100% I would suspect the level is too strong, as it would be if you're feeding line level through the Mic input). Once you see a reasonable signal on this bar, the reader should pick it up assuming it's one of the supported formats (which is pretty much all of them). If the Timecode Tester can read it, so should WATCHOUT (production or display). Note that in production you enable it inside Preferences, where you need to use a command file option (or external control system) to enable it on a display computer.



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Posted 08 October 2015 - 11:10 AM

What is the source of your timecode? Can you hear that signal at some point? It sounds kind of like the "good old" modem dial up-noise.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 03:39 PM

I am unable to get any signal in the 'Timecode Tester'. However, I am seeing good signal levels in the windows audio recording devices menu. (Default device)
The timecode signal is outputted from Qlab. I have the TC connected to the line in port from now. They have tested that this timecode is working with the other devices in the entire system.

 

I suspect that it could be that the line in port on the production server's motherboard could be broken (very rarely does this happen), if I was to use an audio interface for the input.. would WO support this for timecode?

I have attached some photos from production server. (I apologize for the poor quality)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kjjdbnd5v7rwaay/AADn1xFCdcYAIa6EPnKRdFpMa?dl=0

 

Thanks again!



#15 Mike Fahl

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 04:46 PM

I am unable to get any signal in the 'Timecode Tester'. However, I am seeing good signal levels in the windows audio recording devices menu. (Default device)

 

That sounds odd. The TC Tester reads from the default audio input device, so if you have a signal there, it should show up also in the signal indicator inside the TC reader.



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Posted 21 October 2015 - 11:51 AM

I am unable to get any signal in the 'Timecode Tester'. However, I am seeing good signal levels in the windows audio recording devices menu. (Default device)
The timecode signal is outputted from Qlab. I have the TC connected to the line in port from now. They have tested that this timecode is working with the other devices in the entire system.

 

I suspect that it could be that the line in port on the production server's motherboard could be broken (very rarely does this happen), if I was to use an audio interface for the input.. would WO support this for timecode?

I have attached some photos from production server. (I apologize for the poor quality)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kjjdbnd5v7rwaay/AADn1xFCdcYAIa6EPnKRdFpMa?dl=0

 

Thanks again!

if you have input from "line-in", can you record it and upload the file for us to test?

 

Morgan.



#17 wiesemann

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Posted 21 October 2015 - 04:26 PM

Well, ry to make the TC signal even louder than it is. You can plug it into an ios app instead of watchout to test the signal.
I use the "Clockit Timecode App" on ipad. It can use the microphone (you have to allow access to it). to "listen" to timecode or a cable plugged in.
Good luck





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