lloc Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 anyone know any graphics card which works well with watch out with 6 outputs full hd. So far we have worked with Asus HD7970 3gb but i think no longer manufactured. Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomT Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 FirePro W9000, 6144 MB GDDR5, 6x mini DP, 1x SDI FirePro W9100, 16384 MB GDDR5, 6x mini DP, 1x SDI SDI Radeon R9 280X - 3GB GDDR5 - PCI Express 3.0 x16 - 2 x DVI, 4 x DisplayPort Or any AMD with two mini-Displayport and two MST Hubs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Dannert Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Agree with TomT here, some comments below. "Radeon R9 280X - 3GB GDDR5 - PCI Express 3.0 x16 - 2 x DVI, 4 x DisplayPort" Most likely out of production now, too. "Or any AMD with two mini-Displayport and two MST Hubs" I would like to add that they still need to be reasonable powerful (ie R9 series) and preferably have 2-3GB of graphics RAM. /jonas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Lloyd Stewart Posted June 27, 2014 Member Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 So if we want 6 outputs that can handle 6 same size 1080P videos, it's just a matter of finding a powerful enough Eyefinity graphics card with two mini-Display ports and then plugging 2 MST hubs (that have 3 ports each) into the mini-display ports? Any down side to using the MST Hubs? Any particular ones recommended? I saw where jfk and Showsage were doing some testing back in March, but I wasn't sure how conclusive the situation was at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Dannert Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 And use ACTIVE DisplayPort adapters on the MST-hubs output side, it seems. Accell, Club3D and EVGA is some brands, they look pretty similar to me. /jonas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Ramos Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 FirePro W9000, 6144 MB GDDR5, 6x mini DP, 1x SDI FirePro W9100, 16384 MB GDDR5, 6x mini DP, 1x SDI SDI What you mean by 1x SDI ? Im using W9000 and theres no SDI output. Any down side to using the MST Hubs? For watchout all the 3 output from MST are treated as 1, so no edge blending, no geometry, no color correction. There's probably more, but I can't see it now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Dannert Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 "For watchout all the 3 output from MST are treated as 1, so no edge blending, no geometry, no color correction. There's probably more, but I can't see it now." Sorry Alex, that is not correct info. At DisplayPort 1.2 and a MST hub, all outputs works as separate outputs. This is tried and tested. /jonas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomT Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 @ Jonas, when using a MST-Hub no need of active adapters, because the MST is active itself. Tested. But maybe active Adapters are better i didn´t tested it. And you´re right; with DP 1.2 and higher the outputs of an mst work as separate outputs. @ Lloyd I tested it with : http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/produkte/leser.de/product/radeon-r9-280x-royalqueen.html And http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/produkte/leser.de/product/mst-hub-1-3.html @ Ramos sorry, wrong copy and paste, no SDI just 6 x miniDp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Ramos Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 Im sorry for the wrong info, I was convinced otherwise. So this means WO can get 18 output from a FirePro V9100 card ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Dannert Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 No, you can not get 18 outputs from one graphic card with 6 MST hubs. Both AMD Eyefinity and WATCHOUT gives you a maximum 6 outputs in total, from one card. /jonas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloc Posted June 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Great info!!! thank you all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator jfk Posted June 30, 2014 Moderator Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 The Club 3D Multi Stream Transport (MST) Hub DisplayPort 1-3 we have tested with a FirePro W7000 did work, with a very important caveat. It was not completely stable. It would be inconsistent on activating all outputs through boot cycles. Most of the times it worked as expected - but not all the time. Sometimes an output would randomly fail to appear. So does it work - yes, sort of. It is reliable - no, not yet. caveat emptor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsmokey Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 The Club 3D Multi Stream Transport (MST) Hub DisplayPort 1-3 we have tested with a FirePro W7000 did work, with a very important caveat. It was not completely stable. It would be inconsistent on activating all outputs through boot cycles. Most of the times it worked as expected - but not all the time. Sometimes an output would randomly fail to appear. So does it work - yes, sort of. It is reliable - no, not yet. caveat emptor can you ellaborate a bit about not being stable. just in boot sequences or was it unstable when up and running? causing any crashes or something less funny? cheers, Robert 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Dannert Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 @TomT, "when using a MST-Hub no need of active adapters, because the MST is active itself. Tested. But maybe active Adapters are better i didn´t tested it." We tested this too, and it seems that we could not get full SL DVI resolution with passive adapters, which should be supported" 3 times 1024x768 was OK, but 3 times 1920x1080 where not. Tested with R9 270X graphics cards of two types and Club3D/EVGA MST-hubs. http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?pid=2043 http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/R9270XDC24GD5/ http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/products/reader.en/product/mst-hub-1-3.html http://www.evga.com/products/Product.aspx?pn=200-DP-1301-L1 This might account for some of the stability issues some of you experienced. Found this note on Accell's website on their MST-hub: http://www.accellcables.com/products/ultraav-displayport-1-2-mst-multi-display-hub • Testing has found a lack of compatibility with some systems when converting using DVI or HDMI adapters. Recommended for use with DisplayPort monitors Seems like they are not totally confident in that it will work stable with DP adapters to "legacy" graphics outputs. So testing is important, you mileage may vary here. /jonas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomT Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 @ Jonas I tested it with a FirePro W8000. Maybe thats the difference? Not tested with consumer-cards. Greets 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deidelaosa Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Hi friend I have a question when purchasing AMD FirePro W7000 would want to know whether each separate output is capable of native 2k. Thanks a lot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Dannert Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Isn't this an AMD question? WATCHOUT can be set up for 2K. http://www.amd.com/documents/2793_W7000_DataSheet_R4.pdf /jonas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude.Rivet Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 A few questions regarding eyefinity 6 with WO: (haven't built a WO system in 3 years so I'm catching up) I see many people getting Fire Pros (w9000), whereas I remember WO requiring only very basic graphic cards as the processing was performed on CPU rather than GPU, is there an advantage in using a much more expensive w9000 card? When using 2 mini-displayport to MST hubs are there frame locking issues between outputs/hubs, different latency between the two hubs or any timming issue vs using a 6 out FirePro (where I expect the 6 out to be frame locked)? (waving in the blend area because of subtle timming differences in blend area where the 2 hub overlap, live input showing different lag depending on the hub displaying the PiP) Basically, is there any advantage in using the FirePro for an eyefinity6 setup? I want to build a beast to drive 6 outputs, money at this point is no object but the advantage need to be real and all output need to be driven by one display computer. thanks much! regards 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janbreel Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 A modest, but entirely adequate card for a system with six outputs is the FirePro W600. http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/workstation/firepro-display-wall/w600# I have started to apply them as 6 output Radeon cards replacing the wellknown HD7970 are practically non existent at the moment. Prices are comparable with some Radeon models I used before. Note that this card will NOT combine with a S400 sync board! regards, Jan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Dannert Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 A few questions regarding eyefinity 6 with WO: (haven't built a WO system in 3 years so I'm catching up) I see many people getting Fire Pros (w9000), whereas I remember WO requiring only very basic graphic cards as the processing was performed on CPU rather than GPU, is there an advantage in using a much more expensive w9000 card? If you're talking about a "beast" in terms of 6-output graphics cards, then AMD FirePro W9100 is it. It supports up to 6 4K-outputs with 16GB GDDR5 memory. http://www.amd.com/en-gb/products/graphics/workstation/firepro-3d/9100 The other end of the scale would be the AMD FirePro W600, mentioned by Jan above. http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/workstation/firepro-display-wall/w600 Consumer 6-output cards is non-existent, at least for now, ASUS AMD Radeon cards were almost the only choice here, but does not seem to make them anymore. All seem to rely on MST-hubs for more than 4 outputs. A 4-output server might also be a wise choice, in terms of having a bit more headroom. Always use Active MDP/DP-adapters and for safety, EDID Managers like DVI Parrot, for every output. When using 2 mini-displayport to MST hubs are there frame locking issues between outputs/hubs, different latency between the two hubs or any timing issue vs using a 6 out FirePro (where I expect the 6 out to be frame locked)? The 6-output FirePro W9100 (or any FirePro W7/8/9 card), is NOT frame-locked without a S400 sync card added. NVidia Quadro K5200/K4200 can also be frame-locked via their GSync card. It goes without saying that consumer grade cards cannot be frame-locked. (waving in the blend area because of subtle timing differences in blend area where the 2 hub overlap, live input showing different lag depending on the hub displaying the PiP) With MST-hubs you're on your own a bit, it should/might work, how reliable over time is another matter. As always, thorough testing is required, with the hardware of choice. Basically, is there any advantage in using the FirePro for an eyefinity6 setup? I want to build a beast to drive 6 outputs, money at this point is no object but the advantage need to be real and all output need to be driven by one display computer. Please see above. /jonas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator jfk Posted September 3, 2014 Moderator Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 ... I see many people getting Fire Pros (w9000), whereas I remember WO requiring only very basic graphic cards as the processing was performed on CPU rather than GPU, That is not necessarily correct. Depends a lot on content and programming. The GPU does a lot of the work. reference: Mechanics of WATCHOUT is there an advantage in using a much more expensive w9000 card? Yes there is. When using 2 mini-displayport to MST hubs are there frame locking issues between outputs/hubs, different latency between the two hubs or any timming issue No synch issues with two MST hubs driving six outputs that we have observed in our testing. We have been testing with a FirePro W7000, Windows 7 SP1 64 bit, WATCHOUT 5.5.1 and another system with a FirePro W8100, Windows 8.1 64 bit and WATCHOUT 5.5.2b The W7000 is a bit underpowered for six outputs and there is a noticeable degradation in image quality driving six. The W8100 system does not show this degradation, although under prolonged testing, it appears to be overheating. BTW We recently received a new model of MST Hubs (StarTech), and this version is passing durability testing so far (Club 3D failed durability testing). Will update again when the testing is completed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adela Kriland Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 I have tested the EVGA hub, with no troubles with active adapters. With W7000 with R9X270, R9X280. With the test and captures I normally do, I have not seen any problem... just with the w7000 one can not use the EDID function in the hub side which seams obvious. Hope this helps. Regards Adela 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myngus Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Hi Jonas, I'm using WO 6. I need 7 outputs. Is it possible to use a MST hub on one of the MDP ports of a FirePro W9100 to get 7 outputs? I know you mentioned earlier in this thread that 6 is the maximum, but I thought I'd just check to see if there is any updates on this? cheers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fahl Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 No, using an MST hub till not allow you to go beyond the maximum of 6 displays per computer. Besides, many MST hubs introduce their own challenges, often complicating the matter of getting several displays to "behave" reliably when connected to one computer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 No, using an MST hub till not allow you to go beyond the maximum of 6 displays per computer. Besides, many MST hubs introduce their own challenges, often complicating the matter of getting several displays to "behave" reliably when connected to one computer. Hello mike And with two plates with three outputs, stability improves? With two AMD RADEON RX480 for example? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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